LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
After four days of soaking in the electrolysis tank the block is looking ready for the machine shop:
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
Nice job!
Electrolysis is certainly cheaper for large volumes than EvapoRust or similar catalysts.
What's on tap for machining?
Electrolysis is certainly cheaper for large volumes than EvapoRust or similar catalysts.
What's on tap for machining?
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
You find your pistons? What overbore you going?
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
Electrolysis Tank:
55 gal plastic garbage pail from Menards for $10
3x 4ft 1/2" dia rebar $9 for all
1 box 55oz Arm & Hammer Washing Soda $4
Power supply was off-my-shelf $0, any auto battery charger will do.
10 ft of 16ga copper wire, few $ from just about any hardware store.
Positive voltage goes to rebar. Negative voltage goes to part to de-rust. I used about 1 cup of washing soda per 5 gal of tap water.
I used an engine crane to suspend the block and crank in the electrolysis tank.
Great resource here for the science behind electrolysis and other preservation schemes:
https://nautarch.tamu.edu/CRL/conservat ... Manual.pdf
Haven't picked pistons yet. Will clean up the bores and see where it's at for bore diameter with the minimum amount of material removed. Machining will mainly be for getting everything in better than factory specs. I'm building for reliability vs large performance gains. The rusEFI configuration will likely be of most interest to many. It will be easily adapted to much hotter camshafts and supercharging on the LZ4 and LZ9.
The tune info will be here https://rusefi.com/online/?sorts[upload ... dedLog]=-1
I haven't registered it yet. Will update later, but will be obvious as the only GM 3.5/9 6 cylinder.
55 gal plastic garbage pail from Menards for $10
3x 4ft 1/2" dia rebar $9 for all
1 box 55oz Arm & Hammer Washing Soda $4
Power supply was off-my-shelf $0, any auto battery charger will do.
10 ft of 16ga copper wire, few $ from just about any hardware store.
Positive voltage goes to rebar. Negative voltage goes to part to de-rust. I used about 1 cup of washing soda per 5 gal of tap water.
I used an engine crane to suspend the block and crank in the electrolysis tank.
Great resource here for the science behind electrolysis and other preservation schemes:
https://nautarch.tamu.edu/CRL/conservat ... Manual.pdf
Haven't picked pistons yet. Will clean up the bores and see where it's at for bore diameter with the minimum amount of material removed. Machining will mainly be for getting everything in better than factory specs. I'm building for reliability vs large performance gains. The rusEFI configuration will likely be of most interest to many. It will be easily adapted to much hotter camshafts and supercharging on the LZ4 and LZ9.
The tune info will be here https://rusefi.com/online/?sorts[upload ... dedLog]=-1
I haven't registered it yet. Will update later, but will be obvious as the only GM 3.5/9 6 cylinder.
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
A little OT here for just a second: I'm a scientist that build lots of custom machines as well as retrofits CNC's and additive manufacturing equipment.
For example this used VMC was only $2k delivered. Just needed some TLC.
I mainly use LinuxCNC for machine controllers since it is open source just like rusEFI.
http://linuxcnc.org/
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/
Check out the links if you've ever been interested in building or retrofitting your own CNC machines.
For example this used VMC was only $2k delivered. Just needed some TLC.
I mainly use LinuxCNC for machine controllers since it is open source just like rusEFI.
http://linuxcnc.org/
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/
Check out the links if you've ever been interested in building or retrofitting your own CNC machines.
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
that's a monster of a machine, we have a couple of big mills and lathes at my work, I plan to pick a mill and lathe up soon, but I have a bunch of other stuff to handle first.
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
What makes a VMC different than a CNC mill?CaptainHindsight wrote: ↑Thu Jul 22, 2021 10:22 pm A little OT here for just a second: I'm a scientist that build lots of custom machines as well as retrofits CNC's and additive manufacturing equipment.
For example this used VMC was only $2k delivered. Just needed some TLC.
I mainly use LinuxCNC for machine controllers since it is open source just like rusEFI.
http://linuxcnc.org/
http://wiki.linuxcnc.org/cgi-bin/wiki.pl
https://forum.linuxcnc.org/
Check out the links if you've ever been interested in building or retrofitting your own CNC machines.
I was thinking VTL for a sec, but obviously this isn't that.
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
Often just different terms for the same types of machines:
VMC = Vertical Machining Centers = CNC Mill
https://www.cnclathing.com/guide/what-i ... ing-center
https://www.southernfabsales.com/blog/t ... center-vmc
HMC = Horizontal Machining Centers = CNC Horizontal Mill
VTL = Vertical Turning Lathe, also called vertical boring mills (VBMs)
https://www.okuma.com/blog/blog-advanta ... ing-lathes
VMC = Vertical Machining Centers = CNC Mill
https://www.cnclathing.com/guide/what-i ... ing-center
https://www.southernfabsales.com/blog/t ... center-vmc
HMC = Horizontal Machining Centers = CNC Horizontal Mill
VTL = Vertical Turning Lathe, also called vertical boring mills (VBMs)
https://www.okuma.com/blog/blog-advanta ... ing-lathes
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
Done battling with Covid-19 and now back to the body work.
Just have to replace some sheet metal all around the engine bay. This is where she sat in mud for 25+ years. The mold and mildew was >1/8 in. thick in spots.
All the metal underneath from the middle of the seats forward is in really good shape.
Just have to replace some sheet metal all around the engine bay. This is where she sat in mud for 25+ years. The mold and mildew was >1/8 in. thick in spots.
All the metal underneath from the middle of the seats forward is in really good shape.
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
Any progress?
FieroPhrek working on that ls4 swap for 18 years and counting now. 18 years!!!!! LOL
BEWARE OF BEN PHELPS. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. WORSE THAN MILZY IMO
BEWARE OF BEN PHELPS. YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED. WORSE THAN MILZY IMO
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
Covid struck again. Getting older really stinks. Try to avoid it if possible.
Starting back up on it soon. Will post updates.
Starting back up on it soon. Will post updates.
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
bummer man, I look forward to hearing more when you're well!CaptainHindsight wrote: ↑Thu Mar 10, 2022 2:36 am Covid struck again. Getting older really stinks. Try to avoid it if possible.
Starting back up on it soon. Will post updates.
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
Still alive? No more covid I hope
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
Still alive yes, but due to an illness in the family the Fiero will have to wait for its turn at getting some TLC. It's in storage for now. I'll post updates when I'm back on it again.
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
This project is officially dead.
Thanks to all for the info and tips along the way.
Thanks to all for the info and tips along the way.
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Re: LZ4 + 4T65-E Swap Into an 85 Using rusEFI
It sucks when you have to admit that to yourself, but frees up headspace for more important things.