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AkursedX wrote:Not only that. During the housing boom, you couldn't get a fixed rate loan. A friend of mine struggled for 6 months to find a bank that would give him a 30-year fixed and he had good credit, a good job, and plenty of money for a down payment. Banks just kept on trying to shove ARMS and all other sorts of wacky loans down his throat for far more money than what he wanted to spend.

ARMS arnt that horrible, my brothers is 5 over 5. his interest rate can not go more than 5% over the initial rate in 5 years. He started with like 4.5% so thats 9.5% at the end of 5 years, with the option to refinance at any time with any other lender. I started at 6.5% and will stay at 6.5% for 30 years unless I refinance.

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p8ntman442 wrote: ARMS arnt that horrible, my brothers is 5 over 5. his interest rate can not go more than 5% over the initial rate in 5 years. He started with like 4.5% so thats 9.5% at the end of 5 years, with the option to refinance at any time with any other lender. I started at 6.5% and will stay at 6.5% for 30 years unless I refinance.

neither are the best of both worlds, but you just have to have the brains not to buy what you cant afford.

Can you refinance NOW? All of my recent quotes have been 5.0%
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The Dark Side of Will wrote:

Can you refinance NOW? All of my recent quotes have been 5.0%
It all depends on how much value a house has lost. Here in metro Detroit, most people are upside-down in their mortgages because they have lost a ridiculous amount of value on their home. If you bought a home for 250k, and it's now worth 175k, and you have only paid off 15k, there isn't a bank out there that's going to let you refinance.

I'm locked in a 5.95% for the next 29 years, I can live with that. It'll actually be about 20 years because I pay a lot of extra principle each month.
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The Dark Side of Will wrote:
EBSB52 wrote:Love to move. As I wroet before, I'm blood type O-, teh best shit out there, compatible with all others I believe or most others, I wouldn't consider giving blood unless the gov went to uni-care, then I would think it should be compulsory. I'm for a society that wants to pull together, you want a divided society where people at the top exploit the others down below.
How is compulsory blood donation "pulling together"? If it's compulsory, then people aren't "pulling together", they're being pushed together.

Why does giving blood have anything to do with "uni-care"?
That's a good point, it actually compulsory is pushing together, so the hopes are that people will feel voluntarily compelled, but if not, they should be required to donate every 6 months in order to receive healthcare benefits, that way if a rich person wanted to buy their own, they could avoid that duty. The idea is for duty to country and to your society, it really is a pro-social approach rather than asking them if they can pay for it, if not, screw you - no care. That's anti-social / classist.

I think military service should be compulsory for males too. Some of these princess neo-cons think otherwise. This is how most of Western Europe operates and it's a good system IMO.
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So why don't you give blood?

Isn't compulsory military service (IE, draft) something that most liberals hate?
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If you qualify for a loan, at a certain interest rate High or low, then you should be able to make the payments.

What of you lose your job or have to take a lower-paying job? Ideally that would work that way, but then life happens.

Its variable interest rates that cause the problem. Bottom line.


The tricky financing was a problem, but that's not a bottom line issue, there really is no bottom line with this mess, it was a culmination of several things, but w/o the insane appreciation of houses, lenders wouldn't have been able to be that creative or to lend to underqualified people. They've had balloon payment mortgages since before I was born, I recall my parents selling our first house to buyers with that option and recall them saying it was a stupid idea. So bad financing has been here for quite a while, certainly overused as of recently.

If interest rates were 3% permenantly why would the housing market burst?

They probably wouldn't, as everything would assume equalibrium around that. Buut we need a flexible interest rate, as when economic activity gets high, they raise it to avoid spiralling inflation, when they get sluggish, they lower it to increase activity. SO that's a nice thought, but not practical, as the interest rate is a tool.

I blame every greedy bastard in a $400K home with 2 new 40K vehicles in the driveway. You over extended yourself! Its your fault, and collectively you and your friends created this housing crisis.

I am not inflaming, but is this blame to avoid blaming Bush, a president you voted for? I'm thinking it is and he is the commander, he has to make sure the people don't get stupid, because we seem to find a way to do that. To sit back and let the lazze fare market spin out of control and say, 'look at those dumbshits fucking everything up' is obscene. ANALOGY: What if your wife found a GF to go out to bars with. She wanted you to stay home with the kids and she would go out. Right away you know this is probably going somewhere bad, but you are a guy that isn't into restrictions, so you let her be herself. 2 months later she's getting banged, you find out and tell her, 'It's all your fault, I gave you freedoms and you just ran amuck.' Point is, people will fuck themselves whenever you give them enough rope, so regulation is needed to some degree. Obviously the best thing to do as you discover she wants her freedom with her GF is to draw a compromise. Assess the situation and make some kind of rough rules and fair play for which to deal with this. She can go out once a month and must have her cellphone and be home by midnight. That's the same as keeping interest rates controlled, lending parameters regulated, etc. I realize it absolves Bush when we say, 'PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY,' but it affects more tahn just the idiot getting burried by debt, it fucks us all, therefore regualtion is the key.
I just bought my house, and I bought one that we could afford on my salary alone without my wife working, because, if she cant work wtf would I do? If I cant work, then were screwed, but we would be screwed renting as well so its just risky to my credit history to own.

That's noble to yourself, your family and your country, but not everyone acts with such regard and since their actions affest us all, we need to regulate and that's where Bush, Greenspan, Congress, the banking system, and Bush's cabinet failed. This is a failure by the party that thinks we can operate under a lazze fare principle, can we say that that's BS by now, please?

You cant blame the government, they set numbers and regulations, its greedy people that ruin it.
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Well, they set the interest rate, a form of a regulation and that was the primary contributor. If people were lending outside of that regualtion, then yes, it was limited corruption, but this was a case of a bad regualtion giving way to other corrupt entities. See, the banks were making money hand over fist as house prices were going up so quickly, so they were able to allow for a lot of lattitude in lending practices....none of this would have been possible unless the interest rate had been so low, so long.
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AkursedX wrote:Not only that. During the housing boom, you couldn't get a fixed rate loan. A friend of mine struggled for 6 months to find a bank that would give him a 30-year fixed and he had good credit, a good job, and plenty of money for a down payment. Banks just kept on trying to shove ARMS and all other sorts of wacky loans down his throat for far more money than what he wanted to spend.

Loan officers probably earned more the whackier the loan was. Even in 98 when I bought my house, I wrote into the offer that the interest rate would be no more than 7.25%. B of A came back and wanted to lend to me for 7.50 but said they would give me a $900 payment to take the loan. The rate was 7.25 atthat time, I checked it daily, but the loan officer, I assume, was going to earn a big bonus if they could sucker me into 7.5%. I just told teh lender teh contract read no more than 7.25, so I'll just pass on the whole thing and get my ernest money back. They waited an hour and called me back with 7.25. SO these guys are scum for the most part, which explains why they were pushing whacky loans in the boom.
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p8ntman442 wrote:
EBSB52 wrote: But still, to further empower the HOA is insane.
do you honestly not see the correlation between HOA's and Unions that was drawn.

you say its idiotic to further allow an organization (HOA created and elected by the people) to make the rules and terms for the members, yet you go on to say you promote their right to form.

you really dont see the hypocracy implied by that contradiction?
What I wrote was this:
Yea, if people would buy away from them then an HOA would depreciate the value, but cowardly, lemming pathetic Americans just fall in line.
Unless I missed it, I reread my HOA comments, I don't see where I ever wrote that we shouldn't, "further allow an organization" to exist. I wrote that if people would stop buying into these entities so as to create a devaluation of the houses within HOA's and the trend would be to steer away from HOA communities. If I did somewhere state that HOA's should be outlawed, I retract, but before I do I would like to read that, so pull it up. There is quite a difference between thinking HOA's or unions suck, than advocating they be abolished via legislation. I did say that the Arizona legislature has limited their power so they couldn't unilatterally kick someone out and force a lien sale for not raking their leaves, fining them, fine not paid so their house goes into lien sale to pay a $25 fine for the leaves. The AARP has been critical of this as elderly people might be in violation due to age and health. Please, find where I advocate they should be eliminated via legislation. Eliminating them via home buyers steering away is the same thing as employers closing their shop, locking employees out if they strike, or just refusing to negotiate a contract, it is the employers right, just as the right of a home buyer to avoid an HOA house. I think you unfairly called me a hypocrite, as I don't believe I stated that HOA's should be legislatively demolished.
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p8ntman442 wrote:
AkursedX wrote:Not only that. During the housing boom, you couldn't get a fixed rate loan. A friend of mine struggled for 6 months to find a bank that would give him a 30-year fixed and he had good credit, a good job, and plenty of money for a down payment. Banks just kept on trying to shove ARMS and all other sorts of wacky loans down his throat for far more money than what he wanted to spend.

ARMS arnt that horrible, my brothers is 5 over 5. his interest rate can not go more than 5% over the initial rate in 5 years. He started with like 4.5% so thats 9.5% at the end of 5 years, with the option to refinance at any time with any other lender. I started at 6.5% and will stay at 6.5% for 30 years unless I refinance.

neither are the best of both worlds, but you just have to have the brains not to buy what you cant afford.

neither are the best of both worlds, but you just have to have the brains not to buy what you cant afford.

We've shown we, as a whole, cannot act responsibly, so perhaps you would like some more of the failed experiment? I think the experiment is over and it failed, I see that we need to work on regulations in order to babysit those who wan't act with restraint.
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I love how eb likes to call me a draft doger even though there hasn't been a draft issues since the vietnam war. Then he cries about me not serving in the military.

Umm eb did your homeboy bill clinton serve in the military? No he did not. And isn't it historical fact that he did dodge the draft? Pretty sure it is. What can I say eb, I am just trying to be like your homie Bill clinton. Between dodging drafts and smoking weed, its almost like I am Bill's long lost son. Except I am not born from a black mom! OWNED
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The Dark Side of Will wrote:So why don't you give blood?

Isn't compulsory military service (IE, draft) something that most liberals hate?

I don't give blood because my country has asked me to give blood so some medical corporation can make $$$ from it, then deny me, a vet, medical coverage.


Compulsory military service is not actually the draft. Compulsory military is what Western Europe and other nations do in times of peace to ensure all males serve. It's usually only 1 year and they are strict about demanding it.

As for generalizations of liberals and the military and/or draft, I don't see how that would be scientifically calculable. Many so-called liberals think military service is a positive thing. As well, I'm pro-gun big time, anti-affirmative action, so am I a liberal or is it just a fun label? I don't mind it, just thinbk I'm more of a moderate, but now we start the, 'with us or against us' debate.

As for affirmative action, it might be a conservative trait, as the same SCOTUS passed the U of M decision regarding AA that just decided DC vs Heller, so are both liberal then? I dunno. Actually the diff is Rhenquist swapped with Roberts, other than that the same.
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EBSB52 wrote: That's noble to yourself, your family and your country, but not everyone acts with such regard and since their actions affest us all, we need to regulate and that's where Bush, Greenspan, Congress, the banking system, and Bush's cabinet failed. This is a failure by the party that thinks we can operate under a lazze fare principle, can we say that that's BS by now, please?
You posted a lot, and I'm not in the mood to respond to most of it, but this caught my eye.

Perhaps if we allowed people to fail when they screw up, they'd learn. Perhaps if there were consequences, people (and businesses) wouldn't take on more risk than they could handle.

But no, we're removing most of the penalty for stupid decisions. Make a bunch of bad loans? No sweat, the taxpayers will bail you out. Buy a $400,000 house and 2 luxury SUV's on a $30,000 year salary, and can't afford the payments? No sweat, we'll force the banks to mark down your loan (don't fool yourself, this is coming). The banks won't complain, the taxpayers will make up the difference. Don't feel like working? Just go on welfare.

You sit there and bitch about laissez-faire, but the reality is govt has been interfering with the free market for decades by removing the consequences of failure. We're not seeing the failure of free markets, we're seeing the failure of the liberal social policies.
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Regarding compulsory military service, I have to disagree. We have the finest military in the world, due to the outstanding caliber of people that volunteer for it and make it what it is. Forcing these people to serve with those who don't want to be there would simply lower morale, and would decrease the overall effectiveness of our troops.

Wasting time and resources on people who are only there because they are forced to be there diverts time and resources from those who do want to be there. Most active duty people I know hate the idea of forced service, because it means they'd be placing their lives in the hands of someone who doesn't give a shit.
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Shaun41178(2) wrote:I love how eb likes to call me a draft doger even though there hasn't been a draft issues since the vietnam war. Then he cries about me not serving in the military.

Umm eb did your homeboy bill clinton serve in the military? No he did not. And isn't it historical fact that he did dodge the draft? Pretty sure it is. What can I say eb, I am just trying to be like your homie Bill clinton. Between dodging drafts and smoking weed, its almost like I am Bill's long lost son. Except I am not born from a black mom! OWNED

Selective Service Draft, punk-ass dope-smoking queer. http://usmilitary.about.com/cs/wars/a/draft2.htm No, I 'cry' about you advocating all this RW trash, then being a typical Repug and running from the military as most RW trash does. I don't care how much you lie to me, I will never believe you are signed up for the Selective Service Draft.

Clinton's military service, or lack thereof is deplorable. Fortunately he did such great things for the economy. GHWB was a real American hero, his military service was awesome and his dealing with the Gulf War was perfect. Then he came back and had to deal with the debt, the recession so he raised taxes, a perfect thing to do. The more I study GHWB the more I declassify him as a neo-con, it's so hard to as he coattailed fascist Ronnie and fathered the worst president we will ever have the luxury of being governed by; 5th worst of American history. Truthfully, GHWB was/is a good guy.

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I won't argue Clinton's deplorable military record, but stupidly you will act as if GWB actually did anything honorable. His daddy made it possible for him to stay here while all the poor kids went to Viet Nam, his refusal to post his DD214 and other military docs is evidence of that, first president ever to do this, of those that have military service; really deplorable. Then when we talk fiscal record as a president, you, the coward that you are, refuse to look at or address the mountain of evidence I posted detailing how Clinton took a turd, left a gem, GWB took a gem, gave us a turd.

Somehow you claim victory by avoidance.....you must be 15 YO.
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GT86 wrote:
EBSB52 wrote: That's noble to yourself, your family and your country, but not everyone acts with such regard and since their actions affest us all, we need to regulate and that's where Bush, Greenspan, Congress, the banking system, and Bush's cabinet failed. This is a failure by the party that thinks we can operate under a lazze fare principle, can we say that that's BS by now, please?
But no, we're removing most of the penalty for stupid decisions. Make a bunch of bad loans? No sweat, the taxpayers will bail you out. Buy a $400,000 house and 2 luxury SUV's on a $30,000 year salary, and can't afford the payments? No sweat, we'll force the banks to mark down your loan (don't fool yourself, this is coming). The banks won't complain, the taxpayers will make up the difference. Don't feel like working? Just go on welfare.

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You posted a lot, and I'm not in the mood to respond to most of it, but this caught my eye.

TRANSLATION: I'M A COWARD AND I WANT TO CHERRYPICK ISSUES AND LEAVE THE TOUGH ONES ALONE. See, this was also Sarah Palin's strategy, see the producer saying how she got a bad shake? You guys are rich, never admit defeat even tho the data I posted clearly establishes many things, mostly the current mess was as a result of low int rates too long.
Perhaps if we allowed people to fail when they screw up, they'd learn. Perhaps if there were consequences, people (and businesses) wouldn't take on more risk than they could handle.

More: personal responsibility. But as I pointed out, when it affects us all, that isn't an option. When will Repubrejects figure out that we are not individual islands? Can I dump old oil around and just affest my area? No, we are in this together and this isiolation dream of the R's is over.

You sit there and bitch about laissez-faire, but the reality is govt has been interfering with the free market for decades by removing the consequences of failure. We're not seeing the failure of free markets, we're seeing the failure of the liberal social policies
Laissez-faire is the product of the rich, RW and liberatrians, then they turn to the gov for the bailout. The left wants regulation. This wet-dream of yours that we can just let things fail on a wholesale basis is idiocy. The gov just turned to ignore under Bush, cut taxes, deregulated, now look at where we are. Laissez-faire benefits the rich, regualtion helsp the poor; guess what, you're in the latter group, why are you advocating for the former?

Now go show us you have a pair and address all of taht big post, I spent some time putting it togther; don't be a Clem.
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GT86 wrote:Regarding compulsory military service, I have to disagree. We have the finest military in the world, due to the outstanding caliber of people that volunteer for it and make it what it is. Forcing these people to serve with those who don't want to be there would simply lower morale, and would decrease the overall effectiveness of our troops.

Wasting time and resources on people who are only there because they are forced to be there diverts time and resources from those who do want to be there. Most active duty people I know hate the idea of forced service, because it means they'd be placing their lives in the hands of someone who doesn't give a shit.

Yea, also it make rich little faggots actually have to do something instead of just consume and bitch about their low taxes as if they pay any. Finest military, I'm sure you've researched. Not saying you're wrong, just a little toungue-n-cheek action there, huh?

NEWSFLASH DRAFT DODGING PUSSY: Few people want to be in the military, most volunteer because their homelife sucks and they aren't rich, spoiled little fags, like you probably were.

Elitist wat=ste of skin, go back and answer the post you pussied out of. I see you have time to answer these, now go and address it all or just concede. I hope you're not a lawyer, I would feel for your clients.
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HAHHAHAHAHA OMG I love this.

Signing up for the selective service is the law!!!! Which means? Yes I am signed up for it and so is everyone else when they turn 18. Bwhahahah OMG Eb you crack me up.
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EBSB52 wrote: NEWSFLASH DRAFT DODGING PUSSY: Few people want to be in the military, most volunteer because their homelife sucks and they aren't rich, spoiled little fags, like you probably were.
Describing your life there Mr Winner?

And sorry if your life sucked and still sucks and that you aren't rich. But hey guess what, you not being rich means you don't pay any taxes!! BONUS for you!!
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Shaun41178(2) wrote:HAHHAHAHAHA OMG I love this.

Signing up for the selective service is the law!!!! Which means? Yes I am signed up for it and so is everyone else when they turn 18. Bwhahahah OMG Eb you crack me up.

I feel like you are that bastard child comming back to haunt me after a weekend coke party back in the 80's where I impregnated the nastiest whore there. Must I teach you everything? There is no automatic registration process, therefore, by your own admission, you are not registered.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Selective_service

Under current law, all male U.S. citizens are required to register with Selective Service within 30 days of their 18th birthday. In addition, foreign males between the ages of 18 and 26 living in the United States must register. This includes permanent residents (holders of Green Cards), refugees, asylees, dual citizens, and undocumented/illegal aliens.[5][6] Foreign males in the United States as lawful non-immigrants (international students, visitors, diplomats, etc.) are not required to register.[7] Failure to register as required is grounds for denying a petition for US citizenship. "Willful" failure or refusal to present oneself for registration is against the law.
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Shaun41178(2) wrote:
EBSB52 wrote: NEWSFLASH DRAFT DODGING PUSSY: Few people want to be in the military, most volunteer because their homelife sucks and they aren't rich, spoiled little fags, like you probably were.
Describing your life there Mr Winner?

And sorry if your life sucked and still sucks and that you aren't rich. But hey guess what, you not being rich means you don't pay any taxes!! BONUS for you!!

Actually, my bad, you don't need to register after all.

The issue of women being exempted was addressed and approved in 1981 by the United States Supreme Court in Rostker v. Goldberg, with the Court holding "The existence of the combat restrictions clearly indicates the basis for Congress' decision to exempt women from registration. The purpose of registration was to prepare for a draft of combat troops. Since women are excluded from combat, Congress concluded that they would not be needed in the event of a draft, and therefore decided not to register them.
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