Time to vent.... and I'm not talking Coors Beer

[EBSB52]

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NAFTA was passed by clinton and right after that at on of jobs went to mexico. Thank the dems for that Eb.

Ah....the refreshing voice of ignorance. Here ya go, kiddie:

1) NAFTA was initiated by GHWB

2) Signed preliminarily by GHWB

Following diplomatic negotiations dating back to 1990 between the three nations, the leaders gathered together in San Antonio Texas on December 17, 1992 to officially sign NAFTA. U.S. President George H.W. Bush, Canadian Prime Minister Brian Mulroney and Mexico's President Carlos Salinas, each responsible for spearheading and promoting the agreement, made history that day when they ceremoniously signed the agreement.

The agreement needed to be ratified by each nation's legislative or parliamentary branch before it could actually become law. In the U.S., Bush, who had worked to "fast track" the official signing prior to the end of his last term, ran out of time and had to pass the required ratification and "signing into law" to incoming president Bill Clinton.

Prior to sending it to the House of Representatives, Clinton introduced clauses which would hopefully provide protections for American workers while placating concerns held by many of the House representatives. It also required our partners to adhere to environmental practices and regulations similar to ours.


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/North_Amer ... _Agreement

3) Passed by the House by mostly Republicans

The House of Representatives approved NAFTA on November 17, 1993, by a vote of 234 to 200. Remarkably the agreement's supporters included 132 Republicans and only 102 Democrats.


4) Signed into law by Clinton

The agreement was signed into law in the U.S. on December 8, 1993 by President Bill Clinton and went into effect on January 1, 1994


5) NAFTA has had little effect on the actual trade between the US and Mexico and Canada. The trade was established as I pointed out, in the 1960's woth Maquiladoras. See, when I was in college, you were wrapping your lips around a bong; net yield is I have a clue.

According to Isaac (2005), overall, NAFTA has not caused trade diversion, aside from a few select industries such as textiles and apparel, in which rules of origin negotiated in the agreement were specifically designed to make U.S. firms prefer Mexican manufacturers. The World Bank also showed that the collected NAFTA imports' percentage growth was accompanied by an almost similar increase of non-NAFTA exports.


NAFTA was an elitist law that benefited the rich in both countries by reducing/eliminating barriers. NAFTA was more of a Republican entity than was it a Democrats dream. This is evidenced by the fact that GHWB signed the initial agreement and was tripping all over himself to finalize it, as well as more Repubs were for it in the House than Dems. NAFTA was systemic, meaning it would pass no matter who was in office. Don't wanna believe it? Wanna disregard a pile of evidence? There's a bong full of happy-weed just waiting for you, go get it.

Oh and its obvious you won't behappy with anything untill you can sit back on your lazy ass and collect welfare, and get free healthcare and meds, govt paid for home, exempt from taxes, etc. etc.

Hey, worthless drone, I served in the military, I have worked on the B-1B, Apache Longbow, C-17 and others, what have you done for the country; keep illegal contraband comming in via your demand for weed? You are an asset, the country is lucky to have you. I don't and haven't collected welfare, I want everyone to have access to basic medical care, something the rest of the world considers normal. I hope you find a time where you realize I'm right and you or a loved one dies due to an insurance company refusing to pay. As for lazy, child, I've worked many more hours than you, contributed more to this country than you could dream of. If we stood next to each other I would probably make you look stoned, stupid and small, and now I'm some old fart? That speaks volumes of you.

Get it through that old head of yours. You don't get a free ride

Actually do something for the country then run it. Until then, just keep hittin the bong, living large inside your head.

[Shaun41178(2)]

Well guess what? If clinton hadn't signed it, then it never would have gone into effect now would it genius? No it wouldn't have. It doesn't matter who draws it up or tries to push it through to pass. If the president doesn't sign it, it has to go back and get a 2/3 vote which hardly ever happens on a veto. Clinton signed it thus putting it into effect. Wasn't clinton a democrat? A democrat signed into law a bill moving jobs out of the country?

Hey did you know that Jimmy Carter was a democrat and the economy during his tenure was for shit!!! Talk about super high interest rates, oil crisis and major recession. Those stupid democrats obviously can't do anything right. Right Eb?

I love your sense of entitlement. Everyone owes you everything. You remind of a guy who just made news recently of how he was making $3k a month, lost his job, and unemployment was only covering $1k a month. Guess what? This guy asked Obama why the govt wasn't giving him the rest to make up the difference!!! BWhahahahaha!! HE said he felt entitled to that money!. I love it, the dude would never have to go back to work ever again, and since he isn't employed, never has to pay income tax. $36k a year sitting on your ass!! You want that to be you! And have free healthcare paid by me too!!! You crack me up.

Keep taking your viagra and praying for the day when my tax dollars pays for it.

[Shaun41178(2)]

Actually do something for the country then run it. Until then, just keep hittin the bong, living large inside your head.

Why don't you do something for the country other then sit on this message board crying how everything is so unfair for you. Why dont you go run the country!!

Sorry but I am not old enough to run this country, you know because there is this law that says you have to be a minimum of 35 years old to run it. You are old enough though, so why aren't you running it yet? Oh thats right because then you might have to do work, and god forbid you have to do work, and pay taxes. Just move to russia already you comie pinko faggot.

[Shaun41178(2)]

Hey commie pinko faggot, I love how you cry that everyone deserves basic healthcare, but then cry about having to pay income taxes!!! Hahahaa how do you think free healthcare is going to get paid for? Wait I know,you want free basic healthcare, but you I am sure you can't define "basic" and what that entails, but at the same time, you expect everyone else but YOU, to pay for your free basic healthcare.

HAHAHA your life is worthless.

[Shaun41178(2)]

NAFTA was an elitist law that benefited the rich in both countries by reducing/eliminating barriers. NAFTA was more of a Republican entity than was it a Democrats dream.

Then why on earth would a democrat(bill clinton) sign into law a bill that would benefit only the rich when its supposedly the democrats that fight for the poor?

Now where is my bong? I need some weed. I don't inhale though. Just like your hero Bill clinton!!!

[EBSB52]

[quote="Selective Service Draft Dodging Coward"[/quote]

Well guess what? If clinton hadn't signed it, then it never would have gone into effect now would it genius? No it wouldn't have.

If the entire chain of events hadn’t happened it wouldn’t have gone into effect. Bush signed the initial agreement, then he set it up for congress, which w/o them it wouldn’t have been presented to Clinton, the Repubs overwhelmingly voted for it, then Clinton signed it. If any steps didn’t happen it would have never been born or died. For that matter, Congress could have overridden Clinton’s veto if he refused to sign it, so there could have been another pathway, hypothetically. Truth is, they all played a part and I think it sucked, not because it sent so much work overseas that wouldn’t have gone to China anyway, but because it lifted restriction to corporations and was a cost-break for them. I’m pro-regulation and what GHWB, the Repubs in the House, and Clinton did was to ease regulations. Apparently you are pro-regulation as well since you dislike NAFTA.

It doesn't matter who draws it up or tries to push it through to pass. If the president doesn't sign it, it has to go back and get a 2/3 vote which hardly ever happens on a veto.

Hardly ever happens? Since the Dems took control of the House 2 years ago it happened at a fair rate, unlike the first 5 ½ years of your furor, where he didn’t veto a thing as the country went down the shitter. The crap that an idiot like you voted for had 11 regular vetoes, most of which occurred after the Dems took control of the House, 4 were overridden for a 36% override rate. So it is possible and typical to override a veto if you have a president installed who is a POS, one that a complete incompetent asswipe like you would vote for.

So, moron cubed, the entire process matters, every player must perform their role. To analogize your logic, it doesn’t matter who builds the car, all that matters is who drives it. Pathetic, infantile logic.

Clinton signed it thus putting it into effect. Wasn't clinton a democrat? A democrat signed into law a bill moving jobs out of the country?

It didn’t have a real effect on jobs, esp high-paying jobs. As I wrote and the cite I gave stated, Maquiladoras had been in place since the 1960’s, so they were doing these jobs, it just eased regulations and restriction, largely tax. Altho I do despise NAFTA and think it sucks that all parties played a part, I hated it because it eased restrictions and gave a tax break for the rich.

Hey did you know that Jimmy Carter was a democrat and the economy during his tenure was for shit!!! Talk about super high interest rates, oil crisis and major recession. Those stupid democrats obviously can't do anything right. Right Eb?

Yea, you have to go back that far to find a deadbeat president. I only have to go back < a month, then the early 90’s with GHWB, then the 80’s. A whole succession of losers with Clinton trying to fix their fuck-ups. Carter should have been a diplomat, he wasn’t presidential, just a great humanitarian. But see, your party’s coirruption elected him, just and your 3 neo-cons elected Obama. After Nixon, Agnew and then Ford installed to pardon the mess, anyone could have won that Dem election. He didn’t fuck anything up, he was just afraid to try to fix anything, so apathy was his downfall. Those issues really spun from the early 70’s with VN and then OPEC fucking us, so the harm wasn’t his fault, just his lack of doing anything, shall we say Lazze Fare attitude? Just like the ones the Libertarians want; it sucks, it’s simply apathy. Again, not real contemporary having to go back 3 decades.

Also, you think I have this, ‘Dems all good, Repubs all bad’ mentality, like you have the inverse. One of the best presidents of all time is Eisenhower, he was certainly the best fairly recent Republican we’ve had. He was a military leader, he got us out of Korea, lowered the debt, kept us as a nation in a state of pride and security. He also sent the guard in to the south to enact desegregation. Obviously Lincoln was the best. Other than that, you have to go to the 1800’s to find a Repub worth a fuck, probably Teddy Roosevelt, who was a great one. Are you man enough to declare a few Dems any good? Doubt it.

I love your sense of entitlement. Everyone owes you everything.

Really? I served, your pussy, faggot-ass sat home waiting for his dealer to drop the dope. I’ve worked on many military aircraft as well as airline aircraft. I don’t have a personal sense of entitlement, I feel that all American citizens should have some form of healthcare guaranteed. I could say the same for you, you think you can all the fire department and have them show up to extinguish your house, what an entitlement whore. You’re an idiot. I’ve done far more for this country than you by a longshot.

You remind of a guy who just made news recently of how he was making $3k a month, lost his job, and unemployment was only covering $1k a month. Guess what? This guy asked Obama why the govt wasn't giving him the rest to make up the difference!!! BWhahahahaha!! HE said he felt entitled to that money!. I love it, the dude would never have to go back to work ever again, and since he isn't employed, never has to pay income tax. $36k a year sitting on your ass!! You want that to be you!

So let me get this straight, you were sucking on your bong watching TV and then a story came on….. I bet a selective service draft dodging queer like you might be 25, probably living at home, no way will you consider doing anything patriotic for your country, then you attempt to cast that onto others who have. Yep, neo-con trash.

And have free healthcare paid by me too!!! You crack me up.

No such thing as free, no such thing as paid by you. I’ve paid far more into the system than you can fathom, child.

Keep taking your viagra and praying for the day when my tax dollars pays for it.

That’s a good point, someone has to take care of your GF, your Circle K working, limp-dick punk ass can’t…..so she says. I don’t get how your tax dollars, etc. I probably pay more and definitely paid more than you. You keep uttering this incoherent idiocy about you paying, stupidity x 10.

[EBSB52]

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Actually do something for the country then run it. Until then, just keep hittin the bong, living large inside your head

Either you're 15 or you just have no imagination. First furor Will copied the bong line, then you tagged along like his little GF. BTW, I have served in the military, spent ~ 10 years working on military acft after that. I've paid taxes for years too. Comapre my contributions to yours and you make that claim? Stupid to the Nth.

Why don't you do something for the country other then sit on this message board crying how everything is so unfair for you. Why dont you go run the country!!

I'm not crying, just illustrating fact that so far no one has refuted or really even addressed.

Sorry but I am not old enough to run this country, you know because there is this law that says you have to be a minimum of 35 years old to run it.

It's a US Constitutional Amendment. BTW, you must have missed that decade in school, probably out back smoking dope, you can run for Congress at 25 and local offices or state senate positions at younger than 35 as well. The reason you don't run for office is that you can't put together a sentence to save your life. Pssst: they might drug test too, wastoid druggy.

You are old enough though, so why aren't you running it yet? Oh thats right because then you might have to do work, and god forbid you have to do work, and pay taxes.

Squirrel, I have paid more than you, what's your point?

Just move to russia already you comie pinko faggot

I'd love to, a little cold. OOOh, did you read that cliche from your official fascist Ronnie handbook?

[EBSB52]

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Hey commie pinko faggot, I love how you cry that everyone deserves basic healthcare, but then cry about having to pay income taxes!!!

Where? Where have I complained about taxes? I don't like 600B/yr spent on the military, but I am pro-taxation. Can you get your BF's cock from your mouth or ass long enough to find where I've ever complained about paying taxes?

Hahahaa how do you think free healthcare is going to get paid for?

Again, pull the cock out and show where I've used the term, "free." It's guaranteed by the gov, but at 300B/yr not free. It's paid for by taxes and debt increase if neccessary.

Wait I know,you want free basic healthcare, but you I am sure you can't define "basic" and what that entails, but at the same time, you expect everyone else but YOU, to pay for your free basic healthcare.

Not free, stupid. Basic = dental fillings, root canals, dentures. Not dental implants. Healthcare is broken bones casted, basic suregeries, even if intense transplants, but not cosmetics of any kind. Basic in a reasonable sense. Most of the kids on this forum who dissent will come around ONLY IF THEY NEED IT. When I was 30 I didn't want it, now I do as I see the need. My dad the same way and he was a diehard Repug. Neccessity brings about a paradigm shift, youi kids will see it.

HAHAHA your life is worthless

That's what your uncle (dad) said to your mom as he impregnated her with your down's ass.

[EBSB52]

NAFTA was an elitist law that benefited the rich in both countries by reducing/eliminating barriers. NAFTA was more of a Republican entity than was it a Democrats dream.

Then why on earth would a democrat(bill clinton) sign into law a bill that would benefit only the rich when its supposedly the democrats that fight for the poor?

Now where is my bong? I need some weed. I don't inhale though. Just like your hero Bill clinton!!!

I realize your perspective is slim, as you think black/white, but most of life is grey or comes in degrees. Point is, yes, Clinton performed the final step with NAFTA, but if you look at the totality of what he did, he benefited most people. Reagan/Bush/Bush benefited the select few at the top. Clinton also pardoned Symington, which sucked. If you look at all he did he really helped middle and lower-middle class people.

Arizona State Univ tuition increased 25% in 8 years as Clinton was pres, it doubled during GWB. Now is there a causal connection? I'm sure, as most things went to fuck under the guy and your Nazi family voted for.

[Shaun41178(2)]

Bill Clinton brings me my weed. Thanks Bill, he just left, he says hi eb, and is sorry for keeping the high paying jobs with nafta and getting rid of the low paying jobs which is what you have to work. He isn't really sorry though because he was smiling when he said it.

[EBSB52]

Bill Clinton brings me my weed. Thanks Bill, he just left, he says hi eb, and is sorry for keeping the high paying jobs with nafta and getting rid of the low paying jobs which is what you have to work. He isn't really sorry though because he was smiling when he said it.

He also brought you, "Don't ask, don't tell" perhaps you're his personal Lewisnsky in exchange for your weed. BTW, kid, I'm highly trained / skilled, the bitch with my field is that I have to travel to earn it. I don't have an issue with that, my issue is the healthcare that has become a luxury. I'm curious, what is your trade / skill / profession? Does it have to do with, 'you want fries with that?'

We've been thru NAFTA and understand it had more to do with GHWB and the Republicans in congress than it did with Clinton, however, they all played a part and if all hadn't played that part then the rich wouldn't have gotten their tax break.

[Shaun41178(2)]

I pay $26 a month for my healthcare and its very good too. Would you call that affordable or is that still out of your price range? Most likely anything more then free is not affordable to you.

[EBSB52]

I pay $26 a month for my healthcare and its very good too. Would you call that affordable or is that still out of your price range? Most likely anything more then free is not affordable to you.

Not too proud of your job or you would have posted it. Didn't state that it ($26 insurance) is from a premium co-pay, which it obviously is. I'm guessing Circle K. Do you ever stop and analyze your cowardly postings? Do you see how you avoid all the tough questions? This is neo-con central, Palin made it her protocol and she lost huge for it. If your read, I posted in other thread that the subject was a 54 yo woman, so punk kids don;t get it, which is why you have to be 35 to become president. I'mnot sure how old that amendment is, but I'm guessing quite old, so 35 then is like 40-45 now, so they need to modify that amendment. How can a 23 yo Circle K clerk understand anything worldly?

[The Dark Side of Will]

I realize your perspective is slim, as you think black/white, but most of life is grey or comes in degrees.

Holy cow, dude, you're hilarious.

[EBSB52]

I realize your perspective is slim, as you think black/white, but most of life is grey or comes in degrees.

Holy cow, dude, you're hilarious.

It's sad and unbelievable that neo-cons don't see themselves as black/white. Where do you think they get their, "with us or against us" mentality? If you deviate 1 inch from the neo-con platform, you are a flaming, cum-swilling liberal. Other ideologies allow for a fair amount of lattitude in beliefs, that's largely what threw me out of the Republican Party.

But again, thx for stopping by, the incessant 1-liners are always appreciated. If ya get a chance, maybe actually address an issue, don't want to bother you.

[Shaun41178(2)]

Don't worry you aren't bothering anyone.

Your long winded diatribes about commie agendas are quite comical.

later pinko commie faggot

[EBSB52]

Don't worry you aren't bothering anyone.

Your long winded diatribes about commie agendas are quite comical.

later pinko commie faggot

And your cowardly neo-con running from the issues, the data, the overwhelming evidence is typical. Ever wonder why you don't address the issues? You're a cowardly punk. Let me guess, no military for you either, huh?

[The Dark Side of Will]

I realize your perspective is slim, as you think black/white, but most of life is grey or comes in degrees.

Holy cow, dude, you're hilarious.

It's sad and unbelievable that neo-cons don't see themselves as black/white. Where do you think they get their, "with us or against us" mentality? If you deviate 1 inch from the neo-con platform, you are a flaming, cum-swilling liberal. Other ideologies allow for a fair amount of lattitude in beliefs, that's largely what threw me out of the Republican Party.

But again, thx for stopping by, the incessant 1-liners are always appreciated. If ya get a chance, maybe actually address an issue, don't want to bother you.

What's the matter, can't see the mote for the beam?

[EBSB52]

I realize your perspective is slim, as you think black/white, but most of life is grey or comes in degrees.

Holy cow, dude, you're hilarious.

It's sad and unbelievable that neo-cons don't see themselves as black/white. Where do you think they get their, "with us or against us" mentality? If you deviate 1 inch from the neo-con platform, you are a flaming, cum-swilling liberal. Other ideologies allow for a fair amount of lattitude in beliefs, that's largely what threw me out of the Republican Party.

But again, thx for stopping by, the incessant 1-liners are always appreciated. If ya get a chance, maybe actually address an issue, don't want to bother you.[/quote]

What's the matter, can't see the mote for the beam?[/quote]


Will, just answer some issues instead of running. You're a smart guy, just offer explanation. I promise, I won't use the definition of Imperialism.


- Clinton

- UNEMPLOYMENT: Inherited 7%, left 4%
- DEFICIT: Inherited -290B, left a +236B surplus
- DEBT: Inherited 12 straight years of a 250B/yr increase, left a 33B increase his last year, every year the increase lowered
- STOCK MARKET: Inherited 3500, left 9800
- DOLLAR VALUE VS CANADA: Inherited 1.28, left 1.55
- WORLD PERCEPTION: The world started to like us again during Clinton's presidency


- Bush

- UNEMPLOYMENT: Inherited 4%, left 7.6%
- DEFICIT: Inherited a +236B surplus, left a 455B deficit
- DEBT: Inherited 33B increase, left probably what's going to amount to a trillion dollar debt, maybe more. Hard to figure with the 750B for the banks, the stimulus, all of the war funding, easily at least 1 trillion dollars.
- STOCK MARKET: Inherited 9800, left 7900
- DOLLAR VALUE VS CANADA: Inherited 1.55, left 1.22, but the USD was below the Canadian dollar a year ago, the stock market crash gave the USD a huge bump, as people pulled $$$ out of thr market and stuck it in bonds.
- WORLD PERCEPTION: The world hates us now

[Shaun41178(2)]

eb and his REPOSTs!