Out to the south,on a 100 acre tract, the gunfire has been ringing out almost daily. One shot just went off about 10 minutes ago. Probably no more than 50 yards from the house.
I do have permission from that land owner to go out on that tract to hunt deer myself. We have an agreement reached some 10 years ago. All I have to do is notify him when his cattle get loose (which they have), and I have full permissions. I prefer the traditional black powder muzzleloading weapon times, choosing to avoid the modern gun season melee.
On the north side of my property, some of the last apples have fallen from the trees, and the first frosts have set in during the nights. The unmistakable sign of deer incisors on the fruit, and a few cloven hoof impressions in the ground nearby. There is definitely a rut going on in the vicinity.
It means nothing..........In the overall scheme of things...........
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A .270 is a nice deer gun. Flat shooting and not much kick.
A .30-06 is a nice universal gun and you can take down any game in North America with it. Cheap ammo because it is very popular
.308 is another very popular gun. Same caliber bullet as a .30-06 but with less kick.
.300 Winchester Mag. Very potent gun, and a popular round. Its alot of rifle. Its versatile because you can load it light or heavy depending on what you are hunting. That means there is a good selection of bullet weights. Its a pretty good bear hunting gun when you need the knockdown power.
I won't get into the .400 caliber rifles, they are just too much for anything you need to shoot. They generally have pretty low muzzle velocity and are more of a short range weapon.
I myself have a .30-06. Its a very accurate gun that can carry its energy a long ways. Meaning its pretty lethal at long range. It has a bit more kick, but kick is relative. I shoot alot of shotguns so there arn't many rifles that seem to kick hard to me.
Any more questions, throw them out there.
A .30-06 is a nice universal gun and you can take down any game in North America with it. Cheap ammo because it is very popular
.308 is another very popular gun. Same caliber bullet as a .30-06 but with less kick.
.300 Winchester Mag. Very potent gun, and a popular round. Its alot of rifle. Its versatile because you can load it light or heavy depending on what you are hunting. That means there is a good selection of bullet weights. Its a pretty good bear hunting gun when you need the knockdown power.
I won't get into the .400 caliber rifles, they are just too much for anything you need to shoot. They generally have pretty low muzzle velocity and are more of a short range weapon.
I myself have a .30-06. Its a very accurate gun that can carry its energy a long ways. Meaning its pretty lethal at long range. It has a bit more kick, but kick is relative. I shoot alot of shotguns so there arn't many rifles that seem to kick hard to me.
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Ok.. let's talk about these three... It sounds like the .308 is the best overall? Does it also carry that energy, for long range shots?crzyone wrote: A .30-06 is a nice universal gun and you can take down any game in North America with it. Cheap ammo because it is very popular
.308 is another very popular gun. Same caliber bullet as a .30-06 but with less kick.
.300 Winchester Mag. Very potent gun, and a popular round. Its alot of rifle. Its versatile because you can load it light or heavy depending on what you are hunting. That means there is a good selection of bullet weights. Its a pretty good bear hunting gun when you need the knockdown power.
Also, when you say the .300 is a potent gun... lots of kick back?
It seems to be a matter of personal preference, as to power and caliber.
crzyone is correct. .270 and .30-06 are very common, and in use by many hunters. Many people I know, use the .30-06 for elk in Colorado, saying its a good all around caliber.
Remington 700 being a very popular bolt-action rifle for both those cartridges. I can add that on a little lower power scale, the Winchester .30-30 lever action is a time honored firearm for deer sized animals. I have a SKS , a 7.62 X 39 mm rifle, with the Dragunov sniper style stock, and the long barrel. It is a very inexpensive gun, in very common use around here for deer. It is an autoloader design, and has a low recoil, being in the same power class as the .30-.30.
Still, others swear by the 7mm magnum, but I have no personal experience with firing that caliber.
crzyone is correct. .270 and .30-06 are very common, and in use by many hunters. Many people I know, use the .30-06 for elk in Colorado, saying its a good all around caliber.
Remington 700 being a very popular bolt-action rifle for both those cartridges. I can add that on a little lower power scale, the Winchester .30-30 lever action is a time honored firearm for deer sized animals. I have a SKS , a 7.62 X 39 mm rifle, with the Dragunov sniper style stock, and the long barrel. It is a very inexpensive gun, in very common use around here for deer. It is an autoloader design, and has a low recoil, being in the same power class as the .30-.30.
Still, others swear by the 7mm magnum, but I have no personal experience with firing that caliber.
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.308 is a good gun, its what most s.w.a.t. snipers use so you know its accurate.
My buddy hunts with a 7mm mag, I'm not a fan. If he centerpunches a deer with it, the bullet goes out the hind end. Its very accurate, but I wouldn't use it for deer. A little overkill.
If you are just hunting deer, a .270 is your best bet. Long range accurate, flat shooting and not much kick. If you want to hunt deer, elk, or other large animals, the .30-06 is a good gun.
The .30-30 is a nice historical gun, but I believe there are better calibers for hunting. The 30 30 is a cool lever action cowboy shooting gun.
My buddy hunts with a 7mm mag, I'm not a fan. If he centerpunches a deer with it, the bullet goes out the hind end. Its very accurate, but I wouldn't use it for deer. A little overkill.
If you are just hunting deer, a .270 is your best bet. Long range accurate, flat shooting and not much kick. If you want to hunt deer, elk, or other large animals, the .30-06 is a good gun.
The .30-30 is a nice historical gun, but I believe there are better calibers for hunting. The 30 30 is a cool lever action cowboy shooting gun.
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The SKS is a fun gun. I've shot a couple of them. You can pick them up for less than $200 for the gun, which is usually a chinese semi-automatic assault rifle complete with bayonette. 
Ammo is dirt cheap, can be bought in wodden crates. I think my friend paid $100 for 1000 rounds of full metal jacket sks ammo.
If you just like shooting, don't care so much about accuracy or quality, the sks is an awesome gun. We've had the barrel of an sks smoking more than once, they get pretty hot after 30 rounds or so :thumbleft:
Ammo is dirt cheap, can be bought in wodden crates. I think my friend paid $100 for 1000 rounds of full metal jacket sks ammo.
If you just like shooting, don't care so much about accuracy or quality, the sks is an awesome gun. We've had the barrel of an sks smoking more than once, they get pretty hot after 30 rounds or so :thumbleft:
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Yeah I'm a fan of the Mini-30 (7.62.39mm), myself. Cost more than the SKS, but it can have a detatchable magazine without being an "assault rifle". Furthermore, in states that aren't gun banner friendly, you can obtain 20 and 30 round magazines - though that's probably not legal for hunting, not to mention you shouldn't need 30 shots to hit a deer!
It's small enough for a teenage chick (which also means that it's really handy, light, and easy to drag through the brush), has very low kick for a centerfire rifle and has a really quick followup shot, or two, or ten, or thirty. It's also pretty cool looking, IMHO. As said before, the ammo is just about the cheapest centerfire rifle round on the planet, thanks to the com-block surplus ammo available. Blasting away with .30-06' at the range gets really expensive quick.
Speaking of 7.62x39, it's an intermediate cartrige designed for quick shooting with low recoil - it doesn't have the power and range of a .308, .30-06', .270, etc, much less the magnum calibers like 7mm or .300 Win Mag but it's good for deer out to about 250 yards or so - if you can even reliably shoot that far.
It's small enough for a teenage chick (which also means that it's really handy, light, and easy to drag through the brush), has very low kick for a centerfire rifle and has a really quick followup shot, or two, or ten, or thirty. It's also pretty cool looking, IMHO. As said before, the ammo is just about the cheapest centerfire rifle round on the planet, thanks to the com-block surplus ammo available. Blasting away with .30-06' at the range gets really expensive quick.
Speaking of 7.62x39, it's an intermediate cartrige designed for quick shooting with low recoil - it doesn't have the power and range of a .308, .30-06', .270, etc, much less the magnum calibers like 7mm or .300 Win Mag but it's good for deer out to about 250 yards or so - if you can even reliably shoot that far.
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.308 is an excellent choice. I'd go with a Remington 700, which can be had in different configurations and calibers. But the 700 action is legendary for it's smoothness and durability.DiggityBiggity wrote:Sounds like I'm going to go with a .308
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As stated in my first post, I go out during the muzzleloading weeks.
I have both a Thompson Center Hawken, and a Knight Wolverine, both in the .50 caliber size.
The Hawken (the Jeremiah Johnson gun) is profoundly accurate when used with a 90 grain black powder load, and the patched round balls.
The Wolverine, which is the one I take out in the field, is a modern design muzzleloader. I use 100 grain Pyrodex loads, and saboted 44 caliber hollow points. Its primer cap is centered on the back of the breech, and has a sliding cover. Thats a plus in rainy weather, when its a challenge to keep power and primer dry.
Most deer in this area, heavily forested, are taken at less than 100 yards. 90% I would say in the 50 to 75 yard range. I can see the need for the high power weapons at distances of 200 yards or more. Quite a few around here use .44 magnum pistols with barrels over 6", and scopes to take home their trophies. Still others use 12 gauge shotguns with saboted slugs. Again, the range being in the 50 to 100 yard range.
Many I know, use bows during that season as well. I have two traditional recurves (not the compound with the pulleys and such). One is a 45 pound draw, and the other is a 55 pound draw. With modern carbon fiber arrows, and broad heads, I feel they are just as deadly as any gun at ranges in the 50 to 75 yard range. However, the arthritis keeps me from messing with those contraptions these days. Just too painful to hold a draw most of the time.
Anyway, it will be hard (and expensive) to beat a Remington 700 in the .308 caliber.
I have both a Thompson Center Hawken, and a Knight Wolverine, both in the .50 caliber size.
The Hawken (the Jeremiah Johnson gun) is profoundly accurate when used with a 90 grain black powder load, and the patched round balls.
The Wolverine, which is the one I take out in the field, is a modern design muzzleloader. I use 100 grain Pyrodex loads, and saboted 44 caliber hollow points. Its primer cap is centered on the back of the breech, and has a sliding cover. Thats a plus in rainy weather, when its a challenge to keep power and primer dry.
Most deer in this area, heavily forested, are taken at less than 100 yards. 90% I would say in the 50 to 75 yard range. I can see the need for the high power weapons at distances of 200 yards or more. Quite a few around here use .44 magnum pistols with barrels over 6", and scopes to take home their trophies. Still others use 12 gauge shotguns with saboted slugs. Again, the range being in the 50 to 100 yard range.
Many I know, use bows during that season as well. I have two traditional recurves (not the compound with the pulleys and such). One is a 45 pound draw, and the other is a 55 pound draw. With modern carbon fiber arrows, and broad heads, I feel they are just as deadly as any gun at ranges in the 50 to 75 yard range. However, the arthritis keeps me from messing with those contraptions these days. Just too painful to hold a draw most of the time.
Anyway, it will be hard (and expensive) to beat a Remington 700 in the .308 caliber.
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I'm not a kid... and I'm not a murderer.. I'm a vegetarian for cripes sakep8ntman442 wrote:uh-ohDiggityBiggity wrote:Sounds like I'm going to go with a .308
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