my bike taking of from like 40-50.

[crzyone]

08 Busa

After just a few runs Gadson recorded an impressive 9.32 at 150 mph. So just how much better does this make the new Busa than the original version in released 1999?

http://www.busanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=605


Lets see a liter bike do that. Thanks for comming.

[84fierotrevor]

08 Busa

After just a few runs Gadson recorded an impressive 9.32 at 150 mph. So just how much better does this make the new Busa than the original version in released 1999?

http://www.busanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=605


Lets see a liter bike do that. Thanks for comming.

lets see a busa go around a corner without wrecking lol.
I think I will give up the extra millaseconds to have a bike that can do something besides go slightly faster then a liter bike down a strait line.

how many of you have even rode a busa? I won't dispute that the brand new redesigned busa is faster then the current literbikes. but thanks to the advances in bikes they are changed almost every year and next year the busa will still be a big oaf bike that can't corner for shit. and is ridden around by black dudes with crome shit all over it.
busa is a squids bike for someone that wants braging rights. or for someone that wants to build a drag only bike.

[Aaron]

08 Busa

After just a few runs Gadson recorded an impressive 9.32 at 150 mph. So just how much better does this make the new Busa than the original version in released 1999?

http://www.busanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=605


Lets see a liter bike do that. Thanks for comming.

I love your sources...

We aren't talking about modified bikes here! Holy shit these guys did more mods in a day than most people will do in their entire term of ownership!

They lowered the bike substantially, flashed the computer to get rid of the lower gear torque management, changed clutches, then used a 140lb rider. And that's not even on a 1300cc bike, now it's 1340.

I guarantee you a 08 literbike could do the same with the same modifications. The lowering is going to help much more, as will the lightweight rider.

They made every effort possible to get the best number, without practicality. I'm not 140lbs. I will never lower a bike, especially one that handles that bad before it's lowered. I also am not going to cut my engine life in half, and void my warranty to run a 0wt oil.

Wait until Sportrider takes a STOCK bike, then runs it and another 08 literbike. My bets are on the 1000. And it won't have 1040cc.

[Shaun41178(2)]

in real life it took 160mph untell a busa could pass my old r1

And in real life, I was next to a 600cc bike(most likely) despite what the numbers say.

It comes down to rider does it not?

[84fierotrevor]

in real life it took 160mph untell a busa could pass my old r1

And in real life, I was next to a 600cc bike(most likely) despite what the numbers say.

It comes down to rider does it not?

it does.

[crzyone]

08 Busa

After just a few runs Gadson recorded an impressive 9.32 at 150 mph. So just how much better does this make the new Busa than the original version in released 1999?

http://www.busanation.com/forum/showthread.php?t=605


Lets see a liter bike do that. Thanks for comming.

I love your sources...

We aren't talking about modified bikes here! Holy shit these guys did more mods in a day than most people will do in their entire term of ownership!

They lowered the bike substantially, flashed the computer to get rid of the lower gear torque management, changed clutches, then used a 140lb rider. And that's not even on a 1300cc bike, now it's 1340.

I guarantee you a 08 literbike could do the same with the same modifications. The lowering is going to help much more, as will the lightweight rider.

They made every effort possible to get the best number, without practicality. I'm not 140lbs. I will never lower a bike, especially one that handles that bad before it's lowered. I also am not going to cut my engine life in half, and void my warranty to run a 0wt oil.

Wait until Sportrider takes a STOCK bike, then runs it and another 08 literbike. My bets are on the 1000. And it won't have 1040cc.

Davidson's team then performed minor modifications to the bike by adding a front end lowering kit and three positioned dog-bone lowering links to the rear to get the bike as low as possible. A Brock's Performance Ultra Lite Clutch Mod was also added to smooth out the machine's power.

Finally Davidson removed the factory break-in oil and added his Alisyn less than zero weight lubricant.

I would hardly call those serious modifications. This is a stock busa with a new clutch and a few inch drop. These are drag bikes, not made for handling.

"My prediction is witha Brock's exhaust on the bike, the fuel injection mapped out, and a little tweak here and there, I expect the 2008 Hayabusa to make between 200 and 205 horsepower at the rear wheel.I expect it to run in the 8.80s at nearly 160 mph. That's pretty amazing for a stock motorcycle with a few bolt-ons."

This sounds like predictions, not modifications.

Not only did I prove that the Busa runs 9s, but with a few MINOR bolt ons it can hit LOW 9s. With a reflash and exhaust it is an 8 SECOND BIKE!! No, a liter bike is not going to respond the same way as the Hayabusa to mods.

An average rider will probably always be faster on a Busa than a liter bike. Only pros can get the times that are posted in magazines.

Thanks for playing awrong.

[Kohburn]

'08 zx10 dynoed 170hp atw - peak torque of 80 at 8500 rpm
hows the stock 08 busa stack up to that?

i'd still rather have the 600.

[Kohburn]

looks like the factory specs for the busa are...

Power 175bhp
Torque 99ftlb

so less at the wheels.

the zx14 is rated at

Power 197bhp
Torque 113ftlb

and only has about 12cc over the busa.

i would expect the 08 zx-10r vs the busa to be basicly even and the race to depend entirely on the rider.

[Indy]

You know, the R1 has another advantage versus the big bikes that no one has mentioned.

Unlike the ZX-14 and the Busa, THEY DON'T LOOK LIKE SHIT!

[Kohburn]

zx-10 ftw

[Aaron]

looks like the factory specs for the busa are...

Power 175bhp
Torque 99ftlb

so less at the wheels.

Dropping a bike a few inches is like putting drag slicks on an AMG Benz. It has a profound impact on the bike's ability to get out of the hole, and up to speed. I rode a dropped CBR-600 a while back. Hammering it in 1st gear, well into the powerband, and it wouldn't lift the front tire at all, and I was upright. Try that on a stock CBR, let me know how it goes when you get out of ICU.

So without the modifications, the new Busa makes 175hp. The 2007 Gix 1000 made 160whp. You're saying that less than 10hp, probably more like 5, a 3% difference, makes up for a 21% difference in weight? Ha. The 1300 has no other significant advantage, so maybe it's torque. Because we all know how fast 4.9l Fieros are.

And not like you are paying attention, but 2005-2007, the GSX-R1000 made nearly identical horsepower numbers as the same generation Busas did. And with 120lbs less. But let me guess, torque again? Or is it that you just are ignorant enough to believe that Busas are the fastest thing on the planet?

Take a stock Gixxer 1000, and year for year it will ride the tail of a Busa with no problems at all. And I'd put my money that with average professional riders (Read not 5' tall anorexics), the 1000 could out 1/4mi it. And it has proven to do so since the Busas conception.

So you proved the Busa runs 9s. Doesn't mean shit when the 1000s are too.

[Fastback86]

WTF was this thread about? :scratch:

[crzyone]

Well into the 9s?

Not sure where you're coming up with that considering it's a mid 10 second bike.

So you proved the Busa runs 9s. Doesn't mean shit when the 1000s are too.

This is all I was saying.

If anything, that link I posted proves that Suzuki left a ton of power on the table. A few bolt ons and its making well over 200hp and running 8 second 1/4 mile times. Don't know why they detuned it so much, probably has to do with insurance or liability or anything along those lines. There are sources that say it is a 200mph bike when the computer is tuned to give full potential.

I don't like the busa, but it is one of the quickest bike you can buy for a straight line race.

[Aaron]

This is all I was saying.

If anything, that link I posted proves that Suzuki left a ton of power on the table. A few bolt ons and its making well over 200hp and running 8 second 1/4 mile times. Don't know why they detuned it so much, probably has to do with insurance or liability or anything along those lines. There are sources that say it is a 200mph bike when the computer is tuned to give full potential.

I don't like the busa, but it is one of the quickest bike you can buy for a straight line race.

The older ones were/are mid 10s, but I'll agree after looking, seems the new ones are finally into the 9s.

Have you ever ridden a 200hp bike? I rode a 165hp bike, I think you've read my little comment on that. It scared me to fucking death. I could barely pin it WOT, and even when I did I had to short shift. We can talk numbers all day, but fact is, a 200hp 450lb motorcycle is a brutal machine, the quickest production vehicle made. And when any Jon Doe can go, cut a check for 15 grand, and have the fastest/deadliest machine in an hour, it is scary. I've ridden bikes all my life, and a bike with 35hp less literally scared me into knowing that I don't even want a 1000. It takes getting on one to realize the sheer force of acceleration that thing has. Astonishing really.

The Busa is a fucking horrible bike, I hate it. But it is one of the quickest you can buy. Just not the quickest. That goes to the literbikes :thumbleft:

[Kohburn]

looks like the factory specs for the busa are...

Power 175bhp
Torque 99ftlb

so less at the wheels.

So without the modifications, the new Busa makes 175hp. The 2007 Gix 1000 made 160whp. You're saying that less than 10hp, probably more like 5, a 3% difference, makes up for a 21% difference in weight? Ha. The 1300 has no other significant advantage, so maybe it's torque. Because we all know how fast 4.9l Fieros are.

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why did you quote me? your statement had nothign to do with my post.

my post was to point out that that the kawasaki zx-10r makes 170 WHP vs the busas 175 crank hp. zx10 is less that 1000ccs busa is over 1300.

looking at your argument i have no idea why you brought up lowering - because that can be done to any bike. then you start ratling off about peak hp numbers when you should know full well that its the area under curve that matters. average hp through the powerband. the less peaky larger displacements engines have that.

I still prefer the 600, but i'm not a drag racer or adrenaline junky

[Kohburn]

The Busa is a fucking horrible bike, I hate it. But it is one of the quickest you can buy. Just not the quickest. That goes to the literbikes :thumbleft:

fastest straight line bikes goes to busas and the zx-14 both ~1350cc bikes
the zx-14 takes the cake stock though, more power, better handling, and the higher top speed.

then modified they are even more sick.

the liter bikes are faster around a track. heck go to an amature track day and watch a guy on a 250ninja lap guys on 600's and 1000's

[The Dark Side of Will]

So you proved the Busa runs 9s. Doesn't mean shit when the 1000s are too.

It does when the difference is 9.32 to 9.77. Going from 12.77 to 12.32 may not be a big deal, but .4 is a BFD when you're talking single digits.

[Aaron]

Except the Busas aren't running 9.3s stock, they are doing it after modifications.

That, and the 2008 Literbikes haven't been run by SR yet.

Kohburn, year for year prior to this, the literbikes were faster. From 05-07, the Gix1000 was faster than any of the same year Busas in the 1/4mi (ie quickest). I expect the 08 to be in the same boat.

I quoted your post because you posted Busa dyno numbers. Instead of comparing them to the worthless ZX14, I compared them to the Busa-bitchslapping GSX-R1000.

Yes you can lower all of the bikes. But the 1000 wasn't lowered for its track run. That's like comparing a turbo Eclipse to a non-turbo, saying you can turbo both.