Canadian Dollar just passed the US Dollar

[Mach10]

I'm being respectable in my arguments, you could show the same courtesy. This is an issue we will all have to deal with, and one very important to all of us. No need to get dis-respectable and condescending.

Agree; we're both being fairly civil, so I'll be nice, too.

I'd like to point out a couple of things;

1) Your particular position in life is firmly middle-class, so the system works out just peachy for you. But it's incomprehensible that you would compare health insurance to things like owning cars or sunglasses.

Your health should NOT be considered a luxury. Everyone has the right to a long life. Yes, even the bone-heads who abuse their bodies. You talk about primo insurance covering your bills, and how the system treats you OK. Let me ask you something: What steps have YOU taken to ensure you have enough money on the side to step in if your insurance fails you?

Because by your own logic, if your insurance company decides to decline coverage, it's your own damn fault.

2) Not everyone is selfish. Again, it's not about charity, it's about responsibility. Socialism isn't about carrying the lower class. Socialism is about EVERYONE having an equal and shared responsibility to the population. This is how Socialism != Communism.

Communism attempts to normalize EVERY man woman and child by total and equal wealth distribution. Well, that's the ideology, anyway. Communism is NOT compatible with capitalism or free market for obvious reasons. It's not "evil," (any more than guns, when you think about it)although some pretty nasty things have been done with it.

Socialism is the institutionalization of this shared responsibility. What it means is that you are free to pursue your life as you see fit, as long as you are holding up your end of the stick. Again, this isn't "carrying" the lower classes, or "dragging down" the upper classes. Every individual "pays into" the programs--not because they need them, but because they *might.*

Socialism is the acceptance that your own station in life is NOT static, and that it can change at any time. So you pay into healthcare, employment insurance, etc., for the simple reason that everyone does--because everyone has equal access to it if they need it.

[teamhavok2]

that was the best explination that i have seen yet. I agree that america is slumping into more debit because of an idiot. In the end both governments have the points and there falls. As i see it coverage is good but should be limited to people that put the work in. Some guy that puts in 5 hours a week and lives with his parents is obviously not concerned with his future. Insurance to me should not be hard to get but sould also not just be devided up. you can try and come at me with well your only 23 you don't know shit but who are you to judge. I grew up in poverty, was a military kid, and made my way to a decent job with medical.


Oh, and if that makes me a selfish bastard than so be it. I secured my future... what about you?

[Shaun41178(2)]

I was waiting for the first POS to expose himself. Fuck you queer, have a pair and serve in the military like I did. In fact, has anyone in here done that? All you so-called patriots? 45 is not old age, but it's not a punk boy like you. As I told Brian in PM, I understand the anger generated from kids who inherited the debt. The problem is that they're too short-sighted to understand 2 things:

If you are ex military then go to the VA. I shouldn't have to pay anymore for your bad decisions. If you got injured in the miliatary and why you are serving, should I have to pay twice for your medicine? I am alreayd paying for it once. Go to the VA and get your shit checked out. Thats what its there for. My taxes already go to that.

I never claimed to be a patriot. But just because you served in the armed forces doesnt' automatcially mean you are a patriot. Hell look at all the spies. They are usually deep within the govt serving in the armed forces because they can get usefull info. Are they still patriots because they served the military?

Hey guess what, I probably will need medical care when I get older. But gues what, thats whay private health insurance is for!!! Why should your wife pay for my bad health?

Or get a job with a company that offers benefits like health insurance. Jesus christ man.

And the reason our countries dollar is falling is NOT because we dont' have socialzied medicine.

[Shaun41178(2)]

Oh, and if that makes me a selfish bastard than so be it. I secured my future... what about you?

Exactly. Its just like social security. I have to pay into that shit, because some dumbass was too short sighted when he was younger to put money away. SO now I am taxed because of someone elses stupidity.

Now all the old people still want their check, because they deserve it, afterall they paid into it for all those years. But I am sure when it first came out there was a huge debate over it.

Whats funny is that 30 years from now, after all those years of me paying into it, I won't get to see any of that money because it will be broke. YAY good thing I payed all that money into it, instead of letting me decide for MYSELF what to do with my own hardearned money.

I mean seriously, we are moving closer and closer to communism. Everything is going to be run by the state eventually.

[EBSB52]

Right, it's me. Don't like the truth so you shut it down. It's like we're in P-F-F.

I'm SO not getting involved in the pissing match...

But I'd like to interupt and confirm that it IS you shutting down those threads.

This version of phpBB doesn't like certain links--usually to do with certain characters appearing.

So, if you post a link, then start getting server messages, congrats... You boned it.

I've personally nuked at least 4 threads like this.

>>>>>I'm SO not getting involved in the pissing match...

Good, cause we might have to share a country together one day :thumbleft: :salute: ....as soon as i get enough of this POS country.

[EBSB52]

I'm being respectable in my arguments, you could show the same courtesy. This is an issue we will all have to deal with, and one very important to all of us. No need to get dis-respectable and condescending.

Agree; we're both being fairly civil, so I'll be nice, too.

I'd like to point out a couple of things;

1) Your particular position in life is firmly middle-class, so the system works out just peachy for you. But it's incomprehensible that you would compare health insurance to things like owning cars or sunglasses.

Your health should NOT be considered a luxury. Everyone has the right to a long life. Yes, even the bone-heads who abuse their bodies. You talk about primo insurance covering your bills, and how the system treats you OK. Let me ask you something: What steps have YOU taken to ensure you have enough money on the side to step in if your insurance fails you?

Because by your own logic, if your insurance company decides to decline coverage, it's your own damn fault.

2) Not everyone is selfish. Again, it's not about charity, it's about responsibility. Socialism isn't about carrying the lower class. Socialism is about EVERYONE having an equal and shared responsibility to the population. This is how Socialism != Communism.

Communism attempts to normalize EVERY man woman and child by total and equal wealth distribution. Well, that's the ideology, anyway. Communism is NOT compatible with capitalism or free market for obvious reasons. It's not "evil," (any more than guns, when you think about it)although some pretty nasty things have been done with it.

Socialism is the institutionalization of this shared responsibility. What it means is that you are free to pursue your life as you see fit, as long as you are holding up your end of the stick. Again, this isn't "carrying" the lower classes, or "dragging down" the upper classes. Every individual "pays into" the programs--not because they need them, but because they *might.*

Socialism is the acceptance that your own station in life is NOT static, and that it can change at any time. So you pay into healthcare, employment insurance, etc., for the simple reason that everyone does--because everyone has equal access to it if they need it.

This is probably in the top 5 most brilliant posts I've ever read on a posting board.....esp this:

Every individual "pays into" the programs--not because they need them, but because they *might.*

Wanna know how to create a liberal in teh US? Take a crusty ole conservative and put them in a position of great need. Seen it more than once.

[EBSB52]

>>>that was the best explination that i have seen yet.

W/o a doubt.

>>>>>>I agree that america is slumping into more debit because of an idiot.

Wrong, 3 idiots. The debt was 1T when Reagan took office, now 8.9T. There was relief in the middle with CLinton, but we have been a debtor nation since 1840ish and the 3 stooges (Bush, Bush, Reagan) are responsible for 75% of it in teh last couple decades.

>>>>>>>>In the end both governments have the points and there falls.

You mean both ideologies? This is more about Socialism vs Capitlaism than it is about Canada vs the US. I would like to know how Capitalism is so great for the lower middle classer.

>>>>>>>As i see it coverage is good but should be limited to people that put the work in. Some guy that puts in 5 hours a week and lives with his parents is obviously not concerned with his future.

We can mince reasons to disqualify all day long, but just like the death penalty, these args become circular and meaningless when we think of the exceptions that really do need. How about college kids? They don't produce now on paper, but their potential is great. See, it is very American to do what they can to disqualify people from benefits, other countries try to qualify these people.

>>>>>>>>Insurance to me should not be hard to get but sould also not just be devided up.

Divided up? Not sure what that means. If we allow insurance companies to run the country, we're fucked. It's called neo-fascism, look it up. nsurance co's have their money in mind and if it's cheaper to buy a politician they sure will.

>>>>>>>>>>>you can try and come at me with well your only 23 you don't know shit but who are you to judge. I grew up in poverty, was a military kid, and made my way to a decent job with medical.

I'm not building an Ad Hominum arg. I was merely talking perspective. Look up what a paradigm shift is, I've had many and when you get older you'll understand. It's easy for a 20 something kid to claim that everyone is healthy and well when they look at their circle, but look outside and understand other's perspectives. Again, Id, Ego, Superego.

>>>>>>Oh, and if that makes me a selfish bastard than so be it.

Yes, not caring about your fellow countrymen is selfish

>>>>>>I secured my future... what about you?

At 23? Now can you understand why I call 23yo's naive? You will be kicked in the junk sooooo many times in life that you can't even fathom it. To think that your life is all sewn up exemplifies your naivety. As the Canuck wrote, it's about those who might need the help; we all might need it all the time.

[Mach10]

Good, cause we might have to share a country together one day :thumbleft: :salute: ....as soon as i get enough of this POS country.

Doubt it. We have a conservative asshole of a PM who--when he isn't busy felating GW Bush--is busy enraging the rest of the world with his stupidity.

It's tragic to watch him speak in front of the EU about how Canada is a "world leader" in climate change proaction with his "clean air act" which does sweet fuck all, in front of a panel of people who's countries are well on-target for Kyoto...

Fuck that... I'm moving to Spain with all my pinko commie spink relatives.

[EBSB52]

Good, cause we might have to share a country together one day :thumbleft: :salute: ....as soon as i get enough of this POS country.

Doubt it. We have a conservative asshole of a PM who--when he isn't busy felating GW Bush--is busy enraging the rest of the world with his stupidity.

It's tragic to watch him speak in front of the EU about how Canada is a "world leader" in climate change proaction with his "clean air act" which does sweet fuck all, in front of a panel of people who's countries are well on-target for Kyoto...

Fuck that... I'm moving to Spain with all my pinko commie spink relatives.

Yea, I heard you guys elected a conservative a couple years back. Still, Canadian conservatism = American liberalism. I dunno, I'm just playing with the idea of moving there, I want to move to Australia or New Zealand, but that will take more time, so Canada would be a quick fix, but the downside in the freezin.

[EBSB52]

I was waiting for the first POS to expose himself. Fuck you queer, have a pair and serve in the military like I did. In fact, has anyone in here done that? All you so-called patriots? 45 is not old age, but it's not a punk boy like you. As I told Brian in PM, I understand the anger generated from kids who inherited the debt. The problem is that they're too short-sighted to understand 2 things:

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>>>>If you are ex military then go to the VA.

I'm not a retired lifer, I get no free care there.

>>>>I shouldn't have to pay anymore for your bad decisions.

1) You've never paid for me, we're in a different state. You did write, "anymore" aas if you have ever paid. Seriuosly, you don;t understand state vs federal jurisdcitions, do you?

2) Who says I made bad decisions? You? :scratch:

>>>>>>>>If you got injured in the miliatary and why you are serving, should I have to pay twice for your medicine? I am alreayd paying for it once. Go to the VA and get your shit checked out. Thats what its there for. My taxes already go to that.

Where did you get this injured in the military nonsense? I served a term way back. Are you so young that you cannot fathom serving in other that a wartime? There were no major wars in the 80's, just small police actions.

>>>>I never claimed to be a patriot. But just because you served in the armed forces doesnt' automatcially mean you are a patriot. Hell look at all the spies. They are usually deep within the govt serving in the armed forces because they can get usefull info. Are they still patriots because they served the military?

Nice rationalization. It is considered a patriotic act, esp in a time of war, even if it is a POS so-called war like this. To serve IS an act of patriotism, grow a set and go in, you'll understand the sacrifice.

The spies example.... uh, WTF :scratch: . Are you taking about subversive spies? Spies working for the enemy? Just so you know, we have spies of our own. OK, so you want to talk about wayyyyyy <1% of military personnel who serve as a front to steal info. Yea, every other military member fits that description. GENIUS. I'm talking about the people who seve honorably, not the very seldom occasion where a foreign spie gets thru. If a marine serving in Iraq were to read this he would probably reach thru the line to your computer and choke your scrawny little neck. To assume that it is commonplace and to convolute the patriotism of a regular American serving, esp in wartime, to that of such a rarity of a spy serving in our military is pathetic.

>>>>>>>Hey guess what, I probably will need medical care when I get older. But gues what, thats whay private health insurance is for!!! Why should your wife pay for my bad health?

Go into an Army/Marine office and convolute regular military wth spies in regard to patriotism and you won't have to worry about growing old and being injured. But as Mach said, it's about people who might need it. As I wrote, tke a conservative and put him in a position of great need and the product will be a liberal. Age will gove you this foresight.

>>>>Or get a job with a company that offers benefits like health insurance. Jesus christ man.

Few give descent ins if any anymore. Besides, your president wanted to start taxing employer-provided ins about 2 months ago, don't you recall that?

>>>>>>>And the reason our countries dollar is falling is NOT because we dont' have socialzied medicine

That's the only thing you've written that makes any sense. Of course not, Socialized meds is an expense and if everthing else stayed the same, it would only increase teh debt. What I was saying is that Canada offers far more social services, yet their dollar is killing ours; how is this possible? Well, the US virtually matches the rest of teh world dollar for dollar in military expenditures, and that's not counting the 3/4 trillion in total war costs to date, which is why the dollar is shrinking. POINT IS: If I were a Libertarian I would have the sense to take the biggest problem and attack it first. Social spending is not what's choking us, furthermore, even in the most Republican/Libertarian (same thing) model, there will always be social spending. You guys should be protesting this war to the end of time, protesting unprecedented military spending until the end of time and giving a mention to social spending. But you don't, you attack social spending and rarely give a mention to military spending, which shows how Libertarians have a HUGE degree of fiscal conservatism, or Republicanism.

[DiggityBiggity]

Are you out of your mind?! Ron Paul has NEVER ONCE voted for this war... and is the ONLY candidate who wants us OUT of Iraaq!!

[EBSB52]

Oh, and if that makes me a selfish bastard than so be it. I secured my future... what about you?

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>>>>>>>Exactly. Its just like social security. I have to pay into that shit, because some dumbass was too short sighted when he was younger to put money away. SO now I am taxed because of someone elses stupidity.

No, you are taxed because there are people who need it and you may be one of those one day. Oh, I forgot, you're immune from needing social svs. It's obvious that you are too ignorant to understand that social security is for people other than elders. Here kid:

The Social Security Trust Fund is the United States federal government's means of accounting for workers' and employers' paid-in contributions to the Social Security system and benefits paid out to retired or disabled workers or their survivors, as well as administrative expenses. More importantly, it also provides the legal basis for making benefit payments in the future when FICA contributions will be less than aggregate benefit payments.

It pays for some disabled workes and puts some away for future needs when benefit recipients will outdraw payers. It's not just about some dumb SOB who didn't put away enough money as you would like to simplify it to.

>>>>>>>Now all the old people still want their check, because they deserve it, afterall they paid into it for all those years.

Uh, see above. Many disabled too.

>>>>>>>>But I am sure when it first came out there was a huge debate over it.

You really don;t fucking know when it was intially started, do you? Yet you want to have a bold opinion about it? Hmmmm, uneducated voters..... I have a theory, perhaps we have had Bush for 2 terms due to uneducated voters... just a theory.

FDR started it genius; that is soooooooo obviously known, that is high school shit. Also the 1938 Fair Labor STandards Act which established the 40 hr workweek, min wage and other protections. Yes, I'm sure, the maggots objected to FDR and his reign of mandating the fair treatment of people. He himself was a victim of polio which eventually killed him while in office. And yes the people hated him due to his insurgence of rights for people which is what led him to being the only 4 term president. Then the maggots, your party introdced a constitutional amendment to limit terms to 2. Now go get educated or withold string opinions until you do.

Perhaps you aren't aware of the Great Depression either? The 1929 market crash signalled teh start of the GD. oover had just taken office, so it wasn't his fault, perhaps the 9 years of Republican presidency had something to do with that, but Hoover inhrited a bad situation and in good Repug fashion did everything wrong. He kept giving cash gifts to corps hoping it would spur the economy, but they just hoarded it. Then as thousands of people died in the streets from starvation and sickness, he finally did a little. He was outvoted by FDR in perhaps teh biggest landslide ever. The GDP grew every year while FDR was president until his death in office June 45. And people, Republiscum will criticize his actions today.

Now go get educated.

>>>>>>>>>>Whats funny is that 30 years from now, after all those years of me paying into it, I won't get to see any of that money because it will be broke.

30 years from now? Are in your 40's? By the time i get there the reorement ge will be 75ish, so 30 years? I'm thinking 50 years for you, am I wrong? There will be some form of caring for our elderly. Know why? Because we won't have some ignorant 22 yo kid as senator, president, etc... People with experience and foresight will make decisions.

>>>>>YAY good thing I payed all that money into it, instead of letting me decide for MYSELF what to do with my own hardearned money.

And for the disabled? Fuck em, right? Your flatline protocol has no lattitude, no give whatsoever.

>>>>>I mean seriously, we are moving closer and closer to communism. Everything is going to be run by the state eventually.

Another defintion of Communism or Socialism by someone who doesn't even know who started social security. Communism is about the means of production for the beneifit of teh government, whereas socialism is more about the benefit of the people. I could get into Utilitarianism and how American Capitalism has some parallels with Communism, but I would be wasting time here.

[EBSB52]

Are you out of your mind?! Ron Paul has NEVER ONCE voted for this war... and is the ONLY candidate who wants us OUT of Iraaq!!

I don't see people in here spouting off about the war costs, it's all about dribble denouncing any social svs. Point out anyone in here pissed about the war costs. Again, Libertarians are Republicans and they really don't care about the war or the costs. Hell, your clown is running as one - be real.

[Shaun41178(2)]

[quote="EBSB52"][/quote]

Umm don't you live in Florida?

[Shaun41178(2)]

Oh yea and please learn how to properly use the quote feature. Its a pain in the ass in more then one way to read your posts.

[EBSB52]

Umm don't you live in Florida?

Is this in response to me questioning how it is that you have been paying for me in some way? Is your one-liner the best you can do? How about all of the other issues I raised? I guess if you post your little one-liner you can say that at least you replied...... sad. I don;t wonder why Bush has been elected twice, the US has more uneducated people than even in 3rd world countries I would speculate.

[EBSB52]

Oh yea and please learn how to properly use the quote feature. Its a pain in the ass in more then one way to read your posts.

So the reason you have avoided all my questions is for that reason? Can't you do better? Come on, criticize my grammatical errors or something else brilliant.

Quit establishing yourself as a joke and substantively address the posts.

[Shaun41178(2)]

Umm don't you live in Florida?

Is this in response to me questioning how it is that you have been paying for me in some way? Is your one-liner the best you can do? How about all of the other issues I raised? I guess if you post your little one-liner you can say that at least you replied...... sad. I don;t wonder why Bush has been elected twice, the US has more uneducated people than even in 3rd world countries I would speculate.

YOu didn't answer the question. Its obvious why because you do live in florida. Funny so do I. So I guess I would be paying for your shit afterall huh?

Funny.

[Shaun41178(2)]

Quit establishing yourself as a joke and substantively address the posts.

Just like you couldn't address my 6 word question? I thought it would have been easy to answer.

[DiggityBiggity]

Are you out of your mind?! Ron Paul has NEVER ONCE voted for this war... and is the ONLY candidate who wants us OUT of Iraaq!!

I don't see people in here spouting off about the war costs, it's all about dribble denouncing any social svs. Point out anyone in here pissed about the war costs. Again, Libertarians are Republicans and they really don't care about the war or the costs. Hell, your clown is running as one - be real.

At least "my clown" isn't a member of the CFR like your clown (which you stated was John Edwards)

He would have us merge with Canada and Mexico... say goodbye BILL OF RIGHTS, CONSTITUTION...